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Comments on: A couple Notes from Listening to Richard Saul Wurman and SenseMaker Dialogs http://designnotes.info/?p=2033 Testing & Sprinting Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.7.7 By: jonnygoldstein http://designnotes.info/?p=2033&cpage=1#comment-99906 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:19:23 +0000 http://designnotes.info/?p=2033#comment-99906 Will be blogging about my take on the GK Van Patter talk in a few days. Stay tuned.

Meanwhile, here's my take on Wurman's talk.


By: michaelsurtees http://designnotes.info/?p=2033&cpage=1#comment-99905 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:46:49 +0000 http://designnotes.info/?p=2033#comment-99905 I didn't think Humantific's practice was presented rapidly at all. What aspect did you enjoy?

By: michaelsurtees http://designnotes.info/?p=2033&cpage=1#comment-99903 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:27:55 +0000 http://designnotes.info/?p=2033#comment-99903 Thanks for filling in the gaps from your perspective Garry. While I do agree that there's many ways to understand and scale design issues it seemed like the process you described was better suited for pre recession manufacturing days. Anyone in the digital space probably doesn't need your help. I do wonder how your scheme translates to the post recession digital spectrum where everyone has the same communication tools. Maybe I was just bothered with the toolbox icon from your presentation—an old relic of industrialization. I also sense from your “half-baked, unenlightened bloggers mashing all forms of design” comment that you're okay with passing on “design” exercises to middle managers that in your own words have changed people's lives that may or may not get design once they go back to excel and in turn trying to put down anyone that doesn't agree with your self appointed design process. Good luck transitioning in the not so distant future.

By: GK VanPatter http://designnotes.info/?p=2033&cpage=1#comment-99902 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:59:48 +0000 http://designnotes.info/?p=2033#comment-99902 Michael…to clarify: The NextD complexity scale framework that contains Design 1.0 – 4.0 is not about versioning design. Its about acknowledging difference of problem scale & difference of activity space. For example what you do and what we do are very different.

Since the degree of sensemaking shifts as one becomes involved in larger scale challenges its an important distinction for those truly seeking to understand how sensemaking is changing today. This change is the focus of the SenseMaker Dialogs series and thus the reference to the framework.

You probably know that without some kind of post-discipline sensemaking framework most conversations about design are meaningless today. We wince when we see well meaning, half-baked, unenlightened bloggers mashing all forms of design into one lump in service of their own interests. This lumping tends to undercut recognition for the need for change in the design community. Lets get smarter. Design today is not one thing but rather a series of patterns in motion. Rather than replace each other, those patterns exist in parallel. If you are sincerely interested you can learn more about the NextD complexity scale here:


Good luck.

By: jonnygoldstein http://designnotes.info/?p=2033&cpage=1#comment-99904 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:22:47 +0000 http://designnotes.info/?p=2033#comment-99904 Those slides on that students did about their design processes were amazing!

Sure, Gary did cover a lot of ground and could have focused for hours on many of individual slides, but I enjoyed the rapid run through Humantific's practice.

As for Richard Saul Wurman, I loved his talk. I have been a huge fan of his since I picked up “Information Anxiety” many years ago. He talks the way his book reads—-lots of sidebars and stories. A treat to see him in person.